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Dear Minister Andrews,

We are outraged by your government's continued efforts to force fluoridation on communities without giving citizens a chance to vote on the matter. In this matter the behaviour of Dr. John Carnie has gone beyond anything one would expect or should tolerate from a civil servant. Let us explain.

Most recently Dr. Carnie’s refusal to respond to the basic questions put to him by a number of Australian and international health and scientific professionals, in line with his “no debate policy,” has outraged many in Mildura and around the world.

While Dr. Carnie may truly and honestly believe that fluoridation is safe and effective, public health policy needs to be more than a belief system. It needs to be supported by honest and accurate science that can be defended when challenged. Dr. Carnie has:

a) made statements to the public which are inaccurate as well as others which are biased and misleading (see attachment 1)
b) refused to defend his beliefs in public debate (see attachment 2)
c) failed to answer direct questions addressed to him by Australian and international experts (see attachment 3).

Despite this he is still prepared to force this measure on communities, even when a sizeable number of people in those communities, who have researched this issue for themselves, have made it clear that they do not want to be forced to drink fluoridated water. The only way to determine whether such resistance to this measure is coming from a minority of the population or a majority is to give the electorate of each community the chance to vote on the matter.  But this opportunity has again been denied to them by Dr. Carnie. This is a blatant example of the "arrogance of power."

When politicians behave in this way, at least the electorate has a chance to make their feelings known at the next election, but Dr. Carnie is not a politician but a civil servant making his arrogance immune from normal democratic processes.

The only alternative for those who believe that Dr. Carnie is failing in his job to protect the health of the people, as exemplified by his unwillingness to answer basic questions on a practice he is prepared to force on them, is to seek his resignation. What other recourse do citizens have when their democratic rights are denied?

Thus, we call upon the Minister to set in motion proceedings which will examine this complaint and if he feels that it has merits to remove Dr. Carnie from his position forthwith.

We would add that this issue goes well beyond the dangers posed by fluoridation. If it becomes clear - as it has in this case - that public health policies are not based on sound science that can be defended in public and in writing -it will erode the public's trust in the institutions set up - at their expense - to protect their health and the environment. The loss of that trust threatens our society in many ways and should not be taken lightly by the politicians running Victoria.

As you will note from the signatures below, this issue is receiving attention well beyond Victoria and the shores of Australia. We expect the worldwide attention to grow as the shocking behaviour of Dr. Carnie is revealed to a larger audience. As Martin Luther King Jr once said, “injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere.”

We look forward to hearing your swift response to this complaint.

Sincerely,

David Adams, Ph.D., Penn Valley, California
Caree Alexander, BDSc, Dentist, Port Macquarie, NSW
Maria Ella Ampongan, a stay-at-home mom to one son, aged 5
Dennis L Anderson, DDS, general dentist in Homer, Alaska
Gretchen Anderson, citizen of Bellingham, Washington, USA, and fluoridation fighter
Dr. Henri Allard, dentist, 183 le Saut du Loup 30340 Rousson, France
Dr. Alexander Audette TCMD, R.Ac., B.Eng, practicing Dr. of Chinese Medicine, Cambridge, Ontario, Canada, and former chemical engineer

Ramesh Babu, Asst. Professor, Dept. of Pharmacology, East Point College of Pharmacy, Bangalore
Mary Baenen, North Idaho Citizens for Safe Drinking Water, Sandpoint Idaho
Jeanette Bajorek, Sacramento, CA, enraged victim of fluoridation
Ernest Barbosa, San Diego, CA, United States
John Beard M.A., Ph.D., Microbial biochemist (retired), Cambridge, UK
James S. Beck, M.D., Ph.D., Professor Emeritus of Medical Biophysics, University of Calgary,  Canada
Gerhard Bedding, Retired Science Writer and Teacher, Master's Degrees from Un. of Chicago and Wesleyan University
Maxine Belnap, Bountiful, Davis, Utah, Registered Nurse that has studied the issue of fluoridation carefully and hope others will learn the dangers of this harmful element in their water
Dusty Berke, New York, NY
Jennie Berthet, Herbalist, Warrumbungles Holistic Health Care, Binnaway, NSW
Colin Bishop Dip T (TAFE) B. Ed. Dip. Bio Med. JP (Qual) Natural Healing Therapist. DLP (Qld). Caboolture, Queensland, Australia. Researcher
Lorri Bethel, organizer - We Are Change, Orange County, CA
Gillian Blair, public officer of the Warrnambool Fluoride Action Group, and Convener of the Victorian Greens Wholistic Health Working Group
Dr Kevin Boehm DDS, CNC, American holistic dentist/nutrition consultant
Ailsa Boyden, spokesperson, Australian Fluoridation Information Network
Keith Boyden, chemist/technologist (retired), QLD
Jan-Marie Brooke. Author, Mother, concerned for the health and wellbeing of ALL Australians
Allison Brumley, Naturopathic Medical Student, National College of Natural Medicine, NMSA Conference Co-chair
Diana Buckland, Fluoride Information Australia & MCS-Global, Queensland, Australia
Laurel Burik, concerned mother, animal owner, Los Angeles, CA
Mary Byrne, spokesperson Fluoride Action Network New Zealand

Neil J. Carman, Ph.D., trained biologist, former university faculty member in the biological sciences, Austin, Texas, USA
Leo Cashman, BS, MA, Executive Director, DAMS, INTL, Dental Amalgam Mercury Solutions, experienced writer and teacher in the sciences
William A. Carone, DC, South Plainfield, NJ
Elva Carty, Swan Hill, VIC, Australia
Judy Chambers, speech-language pathologist, Redding, California
Dustin Coffey, actor and part-time activist, residing in Los Angeles CA
Juanita Cohodas, Laguna Niguel, California
Sylvia Cole, retiree of Wairoa, New Zealand, closely following the fluoride debate for fifty years
Paul Connett, PhD, Executive Director, Fluoride Action Network, USA
Luke Constas, BA, MA, Senior Biology Instructor, The Dwight School, Central Park West, New York, NY
Gary L. Cottingham, air carrier pilot and practitioner of integrative medicine
Carole Clinch BA BPHE, Spokesperson & Research Coordinator, People for Safe Drinking Water, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Professor Joseph Cummins, Professor Emeritus of Genetics, University of Western Ontario, Canada

Johan Delva, GDP, Dental Surgeon, UK
Niki Denison, publications editor, Madison, Wisconsin
Nicole DesRoches, Directrice générale, CREDDO, Québec, Canada
Karen Douglas Stradbroke Island Australia, Therapist, advocate for whole foods, clean water and sustainable environments
Robert C. Dupuy, former 4th District of Washington State, Congressional Candidate
Massimiliano Desideri, Ass. ecoriflesso, Italy

John Eaton  M.A. (Cantab), MCSI, FInstD, UK
Richard F. Edlich, MD, PhD, Distinguished Professor Emeritus of Plastic Surgery, Biomedical Engineering and Emergency Medicine, University of Virginia Health Systems, Brush Prairie, WA 98606
Doug Everingham, MB, BS, Federal Minister for Health 1972-75, Australia
Deborah Eversage, RDH, Registered Dental Hygienist, Fairfield, Iowa, USA

James Fambro, M.D., physician practicing emergency medicine in Louisiana, USA
Ross Forbes, Kerikeri, NZ, involved with the fluoridation issue in the Far North district of New Zealand for some years, firstly as chairperson of local ratepayers and residents association and latterly as a campaigner against fluoridation of community water supplies anywhere
Linda Forrest, Chairperson, Fight Against Fluoridation, Blackburn, Hyndburn and Ribble Valley, Lancashire, England
Dr. Anthony Fox, M.D., UK
David Figenschou, B.Sc. Agric. Biochemistry, Pietermartizburg, South Africa
Naomi Flack, BS, Ed.M., Palm Beach Gardens, FL, USA, co-Founder of the New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation, protector of the health of the people of Palm Beach County, Florida
Tracy Francis, Edens Landing Q 4207
Janis Frost BA, Dip Ed., Former resident of Mildura and former resident of Hamilton Victoria, Now residing in Queensland

Robert Gabriel, Ph.D., R.C., O.M., Olympia, WA, U.S.
Dr. Stan Gale, Chiropractor, Los Angeles, California
Paul Gilbert DDS, MAGD, AIAOMT, Monmouth Junction, NJ, United States
Beniamino Ginatempo, Physics professor, Faculty of Engineering, University of Messina, Italy
Dr. Scott C. Gosselin, Hilltop Wellness & Chiropractic, Columbus, OH
Danny M. Gottlieb, B.Sc. Agriculture; professional Food Technologist, concerned  Environmentalist, Modesto, California USA
Bill Grant, Groton CT, USA
David Graham
Wynn Grcich, Hayward, California, water activist for ATOWN( Alternative Tecnology For Water Nationally)
Pat Gregory, Councillor, Environment Waikato Regional Council, Hamilton, New Zealand
R. A. Greinke (retired), PhD Analytical Chemistry, U. of Michigan, 1967
Fiona Gwynne, B.Ec/LLB, Sydney, Australia, NSW

Robert W. Hall, M.S., President, Nevada Environmental Coalition, Inc., Las Vegas, NV
Dr. Edward E. Hamilton, PhD, CEO, GainHealth LLC, USA
Sonja Hardy B Ed St; Dip T (Bachelor of Educational Studies; Diploma of Teaching - recently retired high school teacher), Shailer Park Qld
Andrew Harms, BDSc, former President, Australian Dental Association (SA branch)
Crystal Harvey, Arkansas Citizens For Safe Drinking Water, Arkansas Health Freedom Coalition, Hot Springs, AR, USA
John Harvey, Canberrra
Rodney Hearne, Lismore, NSW
Sheilah Hendry, Toronto, Canada
Robert C. Herzfeld, octogenarian citizen of San Diego, CA
Brook Hinckley, Metallurgist, Sydney, Australia, father of two children.
Heidi Hudson, Fort Collins, CO
Vic Hummert, among a group of people in Louisiana who want it to be the first state in the USA to ban fluoride completely in 2010

Brian Jackson, co-ordinator of the Friends of the Earth UK,  Local Groups, Campaign to eradicate fluoride and fluoridation
Bruce Jager, Chairman, Anti-Fluoridation Association of Victoria
Ged Johnson, Director of FluorideAustralia.org, Brisbane
Basil Jones, Chairman of Trustees, "Stop Harming Our Children" (SHOC), registered charity No. 1110961, England

Dr. Emily A. Kane, Juneau, Alaska, USA
Tamara Kazarian, Research scientist, Johns Hopkins University, SOM, Orthopaedic Surgery, USA
Anita Knight, St. Petersburg, Florida 33714, USA
Carolyn Korkmas, retired law librarian, Houston, TX
Konradin Kreuzer, Co-Founder of the Forum for Responsible Application of Science, Basel/Switzerland, who had contributed to the 2003 stop of water-fluoridation in Basel-City

Muna Lakhani, National Co-ordinator, Institute for Zero Waste in Africa
Laurie LeDuc PharmD, pharmacist, Gilbert, Arizona, USA
Lita Lee, Ph.D., a chemist, an enzyme therapist and author of The Enzyme Cure and many newsletters/articles/blogs, Portland, OR, USA
Jaya Lewis  B. Arts (Film Production/Music), TESOL III English teacher, Parent
Hardy Limeback, DDS, PhD, former President of the Canadian Association for Dental Research and panel member for the National Research Council Report Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards (NRC, 2006), Toronto, Canada
Paulette Liles, Fluoride Poisoned house wife & mother
Michael Linnell, President, Central Coast Pure Water Association Inc., East Gosford, NSW
Austin Lowry, double Masters degrees, in nutrition and exercise science, and health food store operator
Ted Ludke, Far North Queensland Nutritionals, Westcourt, QLD
Judy Luther, MLS, MBA, Publishing Consultant
Theresa Lynch Ed.D., school psychologist (retired) who has seen at first hand the damage that water fluoridation does to children

Alan MacRae, member, Health Freedom New Zealand, very concerned parent, Hamilton (Waikato District), NZ
James Madigan, MS clinical nutrition (research module, health risks of fluoride in the US), from Melb Vic, currently residing in Philadelphia, PA, USA
Dr. Avery N. Martin, Washington State, USA
Randal Mayhew
Cindy Mayor, member, Citizens for a Safe Environment, Ontario, Canada
Roger D. Masters, PhD, Research Professor, Dartmouth College, and Nelson A. Rockefeller Professor of Government, emeritus, Dartmouth, NH, USA
Cristina Mazza, Professional Interpreter and Translator, Italy
Sally McCarthy Hamilton, NZ, I am a mother of two children who is totally against fluoridation (poisoning!) of our drinking water.
Bobby McClintock, Founder RED AHI – Respiratory & Environmental Disabilities Assoc of HI
Elizabeth A McDonagh BSc(Hons), Cert. Ed., Former college lecturer in food studies and applied science, retired. Chairman of National Pure Water Association (UK)
Pat McNair, B.Soc.Sci. from Hamilton, NZ. Health Freedom Waikato spokesperson and member of Fluoride Action Network NZ
David McRae, BSc(Hons), Vice-president, Barwon Freedom from Fluoridation, Geelong, VIC
J. Collins Meek, Ph.D., Senior Consultant, The Learning Clinic, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Michael Meek, Seattle, Washington, USA
Dr. Howard W. Mielke, Ph.D., on the faculty of the Chemistry Department at Tulane University and involved in environmental health issues concerning children's exposure to toxins for the past 4 decades, New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
Henry S Micklem, Professor Emeritus, School of Biological Sciences, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Carolyn Miller, opposed to forced fluoridation
Carolyn W. Miller, Arlington Heights, ILL, USA
Natasha Miller, Secretary, Irymple Progress Assoc., Irymple, VIC, Australia
Mr. Silvani Mng'anya, a Senior Programme Officer with an Environmental organization, AGENDA in Tanzania and a member of Global Floride Action Network
Richard C. Montei, economist, soldier opposed to fluoridation of public water and blind acceptance of vaccines, Elmhurst, Illinois, USA
Richard Montoya, artist and an ardent promoter of eliminating fluoride from all our lives
Alan Muller, Executive Director, Green Delaware, Port Penn, DE, Delaware, USA

Gerald Natzke DO FAAEM FAAOA, physician, past president and fellow of the American Academy of Environmental Medicine
Patrick Neary, ND, Wellspring Inc., Juneau, Alaska, USA
Michel Nijsten, concerned citizen and an active member of WHAM, West Midlands Against Fluoridation in the UK
Ted Ninnes, MSc, MA, PhD, senior lecturer is sociology at the University of Waikato, and a specialist in the area of health and illness
Graham Noble, Say no to Fluoride, Canora, Saskatchewan, Canada

Genevieve O'Connell BSc Grad Dip Behav Studies Health Care, Melbourne
Joy O'Farrell, “hopefully this practice will be banned”
Elizabeth O'Nan, Director, Protect All Children's Environment, Marion, North Carolina, USA
Sylvia P. Onusic, PhD, PhD in Public Health, health writer and journalist, former Fulbright Scholar
Bill Osmunson, DDS, MPH, Dental Clinician, Author, Educator, and Public Health Nutritionist, Oregon, USA

Dianne A. Pacheco MD, a pediatrician against water fluoridation
Eugene L. Packer, DC
Gilles Parent, ND.A., coauthor of «La fluoration: autopsie d'une erreur scientifique», Quebec, Canada
Tom Petrie, B.S., Nutritionist, Spring Valley, NY, graduate of Cornell U; was Nutritionist with the Pritikin Longevity Ctr, Santa Monica, CA and also for the Total Health Foundation in NY, has been a guest on local radio and TV, currently works with the Schachter Center in Suffern, NY, recently completed his first book on the subject of preventing and reversing heart disease (awaiting pub.) and lectures frequently.
Margaret Phillips, retired trained nurse, Bayview Heights, QLD
Angel Phillips Permaloff, Craniosacral Therapist with a speciality in Maternal and Pediatric care
Bruce Pippin, concerned citizen of Pickerington, Ohio, USA

Elizabeth Ramsay, author and long-time student of the dangers inherent in flouridation of public water supplies, Jerusalem, Israel
Linda Ray, WA, Australia
James W. Reeves, PhD, Retired Professor of Civil Engineering, University of Louisiana at Lafayette (Louisiana ), Lafayette, Louisiana, USA
Mischele Rhodes, member, Health Freedom New Zealand, very concerned parent, Hamilton (Waikato District), NZ
Howard Richman, Tarzana, CA, USA
Allyssa Riley, MA forensic ostelology
Glenn M Roberts, Bris. Qld, working in China
Donna Robertson, coordinator for mcs-global.org, Scotland
Philip Robertson, BHSc, ND, Carmoora Clinic, Geelong
Cliff Royal, health and wellness advocate, Kerikeri, New Zealand, supporter of Fluoride Action Network
Jean Ryan, BHSc, Brisbane
John Ryan, MBBS, MSc, FRACGP, DCH, FAMAC, FACNEM, FICAN, Brisbane
Dr. Linda Rydholm, City Councillor, Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada

G.W. (Bill) Sanday, Glen Davis N.S.W., Osteopath, (Sydney College,1968) retired.
Karl Sandberg MD, family practice physician, Ola, AR, USA
Sandy Sanderson, BA, Nerang, Queensland Australia
Dr. Alfonso Senatore PhD, University of Calabria, Department of Soil Conservation, ITALY
Richard Sauerheber, Ph.D. Chemistry, San Diego, USA
Lorna Shapiro, BA- Anthropology, MA- Education, retired teacher, environmental and health activist, Citizens for Safe Drinking Water, Citizens Concerned About Chloramine, Sierra (environmental) Club, League of Women Voters, Smart LIfe Forum, California Health Freedom Coalition,  National Health Freedom Coalition    California, USA
Richard L. Shames MD, Medical Doctor, author of thyroid books, San Rafael, CA
Karilee H. Shames PhD, RN, A-HNC, Advance Practice Nurse, author of thyroid books, San Rafael, CA
Ruth W. Shearer, Ph.D., Retired toxicologist, Lacey, Washington, USA
Werner Schmidlin & Mrs. Karola Schmidlin, Yorkeys Knob Qld, Australia
Kelly Sicoli, RN, Registered Nurse, graduate student of midwifery, and mother who is greatly concerned about the effects of water fluoridation, USA
Anita Shattuck, Past President of San Diego Pure Water Association
Will Snodgrass, director, Chemical Injury Communication Network, Missoula, Montana, USA
Alan Sousie, RN, MED, registered nurse, Burlington, Vermont, USA
Bruce Spittle, MB, ChB, DPM, FRANZCP, author of Fluoride Fatigue (2008)
Allan N. Spreen, MD, Arizona, USA
Stan Stanfield, concerned citizen, Forres, Scotland
Gerald Steel, Environmental Attorney, Olympia WA
Lawrence Stice, Firefighter  CMFD/ RET.
Daniel G. Stockin, MPH, Senior Operations Officer, The Lillie Center Inc.
Stoyan Stoyanov, concerned and worried
Peter Sycopoulis, Spokesperson, Victorian Fluoride Action Group

Sheila Taylor, member, National Pure Water Association, Greater Manchester, UK
Kathleen M. Thiessen, PhD, risk assessment professional and panel member for the National Research Council report Fluoride in Drinking Water:  A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards (NRC 2006), Oak Ridge TN, USA.
Edward J. Totty, concerned private citizen, Everett, Washington, USA

Miguel Urrea, concerned American citizen and Electrical Engineering student at Cal State Northridge.

Pamela Valenti, Educator, Representative for Australian Chemical Trauma Alliance and MCS Global, Queensland, Australia
Violet Venegas, USA
Marilyn Vine, Public Officer, Eurobodalla Fluoride Issues Incorporated, NSW
Julie Vincent RN, Registered nurse in Adelaide and last year was diagnosed with hypothyroidism after extensive research I discovered that Fluoride in our water can misplace iodine preventing it being utilized by the thyroid gland

Glenda Walters, Nowra, NSW, Australia
Joy Warren, BSc. (Hons), Environmental Science Coordinator, West Midlands Against Fluoridation
Charles Weber, retired chemist and soil scientist, Hendersonville, NC
Maria Westerman, Medical Laboratory for diagnostic tests and research, Hadassah Hospital, Ein Kerem, Jerusalem
Donna A. Westfall, Crescent City Councilwoman, Crescent City, Ca, USA
Patricia Wheeldon, via Kempsey NSW
Dean A. Wilson
Mary Ann Wilson, retired high school biology teacher, Independence, MO, USA
Cheryl Wisdom MS RN FAARFM, Eastern USA
Warren Woodward, Sedona, Arizona
(Cllr) Arnold Woolley, DipIM, MCMI, Town and County Councillor in Flintshire in N.E. Wales, UK, police officer, to senior level

Tommaso Zampagni, Milano, Italy
Dr. John Zimmerman, Ph.D., DABSM, RPSGT, FAASM
Daniel Zalec, BA, MA, Chief Writer, Anti-Fluoridation Association of Mildura

(Alphabetical sorted by Surname)

Update 11/03/2010

Article written by Paul Connett (fluoridealeart.org) in response to the 'no response' from Dr Carnie. Published in the Sunrasia Daily on the 11 March 2010.

Update 12/03/2010 (day after)

Article written by Dr Mark Diesendorf in response to the 'no response' from Dr Carnie. Published in the Sunrasia Daily on the 12 March 2010. Dr Mark Diesendorf is Deputy director of the Institute of Environmental Studies, University of NSW.